「第一推動者」是希臘亞里士多德提出來證明神存在的論據，以東方文化的角度來看很膚淺﹐因為因果論就是由「今天的因，明天的果」反推出「今天的果，昨天的因」而繼續向前推，直至無限遠的從前，為什麼「今天的因，明天的果」可以推導出「明天的因，後天的果」直至無限遠的將來，但是反過來用又不可以?
我以為這代表了在希臘文化背後有一套有限時間觀，只時間一定有個起點和一個有個終點，而想這個問題時亞里士多德應是相當年輕，所以自然是隱含了距將來還有很遠很遠，像看不到的無限遠的想法，也有看不到自己最害怕的死亡的意思;相反，因為過去不是距離自己太遠，而於人的心理而言，人的出生亦即自我字宙時間的起點，自我意識的出現，首先是分開了有和無，知道自己過去是不存在，現在可以自覺到自己的思想/感情活動，所以變成一切是有起點的了。
因此，因為一般人都傾向用人類中心主義是看世界，分不清自我建構的認知世界和現實世界的分別，所以即使明白在邏緝上「第一推動者」這論據是自相矛盾，但是在感情上還是相信有「第一推動者」，因為人的認知從來都不是中立的，只是人以為自己的認知是中立客觀。
我另外就聯想到電腦工程學箸名的停機問題(halting problem)，我假設是人的認知系統同樣也面對同一計算學難題，就是如何知道一條問題是已經被解決了，不用再花心機呢?因為人腦的計算資源可能比電腦更珍貴，所以就更需要保護了。因此當人腦在想「第一推動者」這問題時，因為人神經系統意識到如果要完全合乎邏緝，則要不停地向前推，用盡所有的計算資源也不能停止運算，所以這一問題就觸動了人腦天生的防運算超載機制，令人傾向接受「第一推動者」，因為人腦的計算資源珍貴，要好好保護。所以「第一推動者」其實是在試人腦的防運算超載機制，而邏緝明顯不是為人腦的運作而設計的﹐人腦的運算邏緝在很大程度上決定了我們認知過程的性質，又和人類中心主義的影響稍有不同。
2009年7月22日 星期三
2009年7月6日 星期一
挪亞方舟
全譯沒有心機，只譯重點:
香港最近上了一套叫挪亞方舟的電影，根本是美國基右想把明明是神話寓言的事「升格」為事實，以假亂真，香港居然有人信以真，簡直痴線。挪亞方舟本源於一份德國報紙的愚人節的笑話，基右弄假成真，以致世上的基督教徒都成了被嘲笑的對象，信者果然是愚人!
我的質疑為，如果真有挪亞方舟一事:
1. 挪亞一家如何實際上執行把當時全世界所有的物種各取一對的任務?物種小說也有過百萬之多，以挪亞一家的知識、能力及當時的技術條件，如何維持牠們在船上的正常生活也成問題，不要忘記還有數以千計肉眼看不到的細箘及微生物，還有病毒?如何搜集，如何管理?
2. 世界各民族不少都有大洪水的記載，但是和聖經創世記一樣，都稱它民族是世界唯一的生還者，在邏緝上不可能全部為真，必有一真一假，除非這些記載都是由它民族中心出發，所以自然當其他民族死清，因此即全部都是假話，包括聖經的挪亞方舟。
3. 全世界人類豈不是都是挪亞一家的子孫?如此一定可以由DNA檢驗出，何解到今天還沒有具體的證據證明呢?
4. 全世界人類不單都是挪亞一家的子孫，而且一定是由亂倫所出，因此人類DNA的同質性會十分高，發揮不了有性繁殖改良血統的作用，為什麼當時頻頻發生的瘟疫沒有令人類絕種呢?
5. 我無記錯的話，挪亞方舟的故事是在聖經創世紀附近，主流基督教都以為創世紀是一個比擬和寓言，並非真有其事，除非是超有智慧的基督教原教旨主義者只懂一字一句讀聖經，是他們發現了什麼來證明創世紀原來真有其事?
通識教育的好題材，該電影想好一點是真心膠，想差一點是大話連篇，存心欺騙!
香港最近上了一套叫挪亞方舟的電影，根本是美國基右想把明明是神話寓言的事「升格」為事實，以假亂真，香港居然有人信以真，簡直痴線。挪亞方舟本源於一份德國報紙的愚人節的笑話，基右弄假成真，以致世上的基督教徒都成了被嘲笑的對象，信者果然是愚人!
我的質疑為，如果真有挪亞方舟一事:
1. 挪亞一家如何實際上執行把當時全世界所有的物種各取一對的任務?物種小說也有過百萬之多，以挪亞一家的知識、能力及當時的技術條件，如何維持牠們在船上的正常生活也成問題，不要忘記還有數以千計肉眼看不到的細箘及微生物，還有病毒?如何搜集，如何管理?
2. 世界各民族不少都有大洪水的記載，但是和聖經創世記一樣，都稱它民族是世界唯一的生還者，在邏緝上不可能全部為真，必有一真一假，除非這些記載都是由它民族中心出發，所以自然當其他民族死清，因此即全部都是假話，包括聖經的挪亞方舟。
3. 全世界人類豈不是都是挪亞一家的子孫?如此一定可以由DNA檢驗出，何解到今天還沒有具體的證據證明呢?
4. 全世界人類不單都是挪亞一家的子孫，而且一定是由亂倫所出，因此人類DNA的同質性會十分高，發揮不了有性繁殖改良血統的作用，為什麼當時頻頻發生的瘟疫沒有令人類絕種呢?
5. 我無記錯的話，挪亞方舟的故事是在聖經創世紀附近，主流基督教都以為創世紀是一個比擬和寓言，並非真有其事，除非是超有智慧的基督教原教旨主義者只懂一字一句讀聖經，是他們發現了什麼來證明創世紀原來真有其事?
通識教育的好題材，該電影想好一點是真心膠，想差一點是大話連篇，存心欺騙!
2009年6月6日 星期六
翻譯:用預言去證神
(原文來自:http://eulertruthbible.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/the-argument-from-prophecy/)
我曾聽過不少證明基督教中的神存在的論據,它們大意都是自然世界和理念世界是如何如何的需要牠去維持,我即時的想法是我們的物理存在和精神存在原來是如此的脆弱,一切只依靠一個超自然神祗的同情!
其中一個較有趣的證明是由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的,因為基督教聖經曾有不少準確的預言,如果不是真有其神,聖經中一字一句何以有如此準確的預測,先知不就是代表了字宙是由基督教中的神主宰?基督教中的神存在不就是站在聖經預言背後的一字一句中嗎?
我的印象是提出此說的人一定不是東方人,因為他/她不知道佛教、道教也有相當豐富的訓練預言者的傳統,請問基督教中的神的特性又如何從佛教、道教的預言可訓練性彰顯出來呢?難道是比基督教歷史更悠長的佛教、道教是源自於基督教嗎?還是佛教、道教的預言其實是自基督教的聖經!?另外,由預言所引證的基督教的神全知的特性又如何可以推導出全善和全能這兩個同樣是基督教的神的特性呢?我們如何用邏緝由全知的特性推導出全善和全能呢?
更重要的一點是,基督教的神全知當然代表了聖經的預言一定是100%準碓,就算是0.1%的錯誤也不可以接受;相反,聖經的預言就算是100%準碓也不可以引出基督教的神是全知的結論。聖經的預言準確只能合理地增加我們對基督教的神是全知的信心,它本身卻不能直接代表基督教的神是全知。同時,不少其他宗教都集中訓練他們信徒的預知能力,包括箸名的藏傳佛教,不單有預言,更有進的一步的用轉世靈童來引證預言的歷史傳統,如此一來,依由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的邏緝,藏傳佛教中的神祉當然也是基督教中的神了,好一個有容乃大!
最後一點來自容格對性格的分類,其中一項分類是感覺對直覺(作者是直覺),所以心理學基本上已接受了部份人是有先知先覺的能力,事未發生便已知道,還有在超心理學大量的實驗數據證明不少人都有未卜先知的能力。如果由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的邏緝是對的,又如何解釋當中有不少受測試者不單是不信基督教,更是沒有宗教信仰的呢?再依預知能力是為基督教中的神被視為存在必要特性,豈不是隨街都是神在行走?
我曾聽過不少證明基督教中的神存在的論據,它們大意都是自然世界和理念世界是如何如何的需要牠去維持,我即時的想法是我們的物理存在和精神存在原來是如此的脆弱,一切只依靠一個超自然神祗的同情!
其中一個較有趣的證明是由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的,因為基督教聖經曾有不少準確的預言,如果不是真有其神,聖經中一字一句何以有如此準確的預測,先知不就是代表了字宙是由基督教中的神主宰?基督教中的神存在不就是站在聖經預言背後的一字一句中嗎?
我的印象是提出此說的人一定不是東方人,因為他/她不知道佛教、道教也有相當豐富的訓練預言者的傳統,請問基督教中的神的特性又如何從佛教、道教的預言可訓練性彰顯出來呢?難道是比基督教歷史更悠長的佛教、道教是源自於基督教嗎?還是佛教、道教的預言其實是自基督教的聖經!?另外,由預言所引證的基督教的神全知的特性又如何可以推導出全善和全能這兩個同樣是基督教的神的特性呢?我們如何用邏緝由全知的特性推導出全善和全能呢?
更重要的一點是,基督教的神全知當然代表了聖經的預言一定是100%準碓,就算是0.1%的錯誤也不可以接受;相反,聖經的預言就算是100%準碓也不可以引出基督教的神是全知的結論。聖經的預言準確只能合理地增加我們對基督教的神是全知的信心,它本身卻不能直接代表基督教的神是全知。同時,不少其他宗教都集中訓練他們信徒的預知能力,包括箸名的藏傳佛教,不單有預言,更有進的一步的用轉世靈童來引證預言的歷史傳統,如此一來,依由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的邏緝,藏傳佛教中的神祉當然也是基督教中的神了,好一個有容乃大!
最後一點來自容格對性格的分類,其中一項分類是感覺對直覺(作者是直覺),所以心理學基本上已接受了部份人是有先知先覺的能力,事未發生便已知道,還有在超心理學大量的實驗數據證明不少人都有未卜先知的能力。如果由預言去證明基督教中的神是存在的邏緝是對的,又如何解釋當中有不少受測試者不單是不信基督教,更是沒有宗教信仰的呢?再依預知能力是為基督教中的神被視為存在必要特性,豈不是隨街都是神在行走?
2009年4月22日 星期三
From the watchmaker's argument to the notion of Atheistic Intelligence
Surely, one of the familiar proof of the existence of Christian God is the Watchmaker's argument, namely when we look at the surrounding then any layperson should realize it must be a product of divine intelligence.
Evidently it has skipped one step:
Since human being is a biological entity, therefore we would infer with anthropocentric basis. We would identify 'evidence of God's work' using same criteria as we identify the product of human labor, which subtly equating human with Christian God(since both are active in shaping the environment.) Just like when we look out from our eye and forgot the eyesight of us is bounded by the structure and mechanism of the components of the eye; the proponent of this line of argument has forgotten we are thinking with a built-in bias: Our own existence. We are thinking from the structures of our brain using mechanisms of our mind. Much like eyelid bound our eyesight but we tend to think what we see is the whole world without boundary, when we are thinking we assume that our thinking is as unbounded as our eyesight. We naturally and easily forgot there is a framework which our thinking take place. The realization of this boundary and framework of our thinking, i.e. when we are thinking we know it is 'we as human being' are thinking. So we are more than ready to attribute any human characteristic to the natural world, much like we characterize storm with human emotion like angry, furor, rages.
I believe the realization of the boundary of one's thought is an remarkable intellectual achievement. I think it could be use as a reliable measurement of intelligence, and as a sign of intellectual maturity. What I am arriving at is a politically incorrect notion that Atheist are more intelligent than religious.
Evidently it has skipped one step:
Since human being is a biological entity, therefore we would infer with anthropocentric basis. We would identify 'evidence of God's work' using same criteria as we identify the product of human labor, which subtly equating human with Christian God(since both are active in shaping the environment.) Just like when we look out from our eye and forgot the eyesight of us is bounded by the structure and mechanism of the components of the eye; the proponent of this line of argument has forgotten we are thinking with a built-in bias: Our own existence. We are thinking from the structures of our brain using mechanisms of our mind. Much like eyelid bound our eyesight but we tend to think what we see is the whole world without boundary, when we are thinking we assume that our thinking is as unbounded as our eyesight. We naturally and easily forgot there is a framework which our thinking take place. The realization of this boundary and framework of our thinking, i.e. when we are thinking we know it is 'we as human being' are thinking. So we are more than ready to attribute any human characteristic to the natural world, much like we characterize storm with human emotion like angry, furor, rages.
I believe the realization of the boundary of one's thought is an remarkable intellectual achievement. I think it could be use as a reliable measurement of intelligence, and as a sign of intellectual maturity. What I am arriving at is a politically incorrect notion that Atheist are more intelligent than religious.
2009年1月28日 星期三
A few Directions on our war against YOUTUBE censorship
(From: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090127-232143)
1. Continue to apply for new account to upload the banned animation, then email me or Ohmygod@truthbible, post the link to youtube video in your website/blog. Please state in CLEAR and concise manner that the link to youtube video is what you just uploaded, and place also the link to banned video. We perfer YOUTUBE for several reasons:
A. To embrasses YOUTUBE;
B. To act as undeniable evidence that YOUTUBE has exercise censorship base on the content of the uploaded video.
2. Use email/telephone/fax to complain against YOUTUBE's censorship at its Hong Kong substation in Chinese, and in English to the mother company of YOUTUBE: Google in USA. Please send us a copy as an evidence that a complain is lodged against YOUTUBE, to prevent YOUTUBE using time to dilute the negative effect on its own misbehavior.
3. Complain that to Media, Newspaper, TV/Radio station in your country, and email/fax one to me or OMG as a reference. Then you can place the complain in your website/blog along with the name of media/reporter; that is to give the media public press. And let us identify who is truly speaking for the people.
4. Ask the Atheist/Secularist/Humanist/Liberal of all nations to translate this banned Bible animation to their own language and upload to the YOUTUBE server located at their own country. That is extending the effect of 1 globally. We could also initialize the competition for the Best Bible Animation, to make truthbible the hub for Global Atheism/Secularism/Humanism/Liberalism. Let's make Banned Bible Animation a symbol of speech freedom!
1. Continue to apply for new account to upload the banned animation, then email me or Ohmygod@truthbible, post the link to youtube video in your website/blog. Please state in CLEAR and concise manner that the link to youtube video is what you just uploaded, and place also the link to banned video. We perfer YOUTUBE for several reasons:
A. To embrasses YOUTUBE;
B. To act as undeniable evidence that YOUTUBE has exercise censorship base on the content of the uploaded video.
2. Use email/telephone/fax to complain against YOUTUBE's censorship at its Hong Kong substation in Chinese, and in English to the mother company of YOUTUBE: Google in USA. Please send us a copy as an evidence that a complain is lodged against YOUTUBE, to prevent YOUTUBE using time to dilute the negative effect on its own misbehavior.
3. Complain that to Media, Newspaper, TV/Radio station in your country, and email/fax one to me or OMG as a reference. Then you can place the complain in your website/blog along with the name of media/reporter; that is to give the media public press. And let us identify who is truly speaking for the people.
4. Ask the Atheist/Secularist/Humanist/Liberal of all nations to translate this banned Bible animation to their own language and upload to the YOUTUBE server located at their own country. That is extending the effect of 1 globally. We could also initialize the competition for the Best Bible Animation, to make truthbible the hub for Global Atheism/Secularism/Humanism/Liberalism. Let's make Banned Bible Animation a symbol of speech freedom!
轉載:兒童床邊聖經故事之「祈禱的威力」與「有佢講冇人講」
(轉載自:
http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090127-205616)
各位朋友:
兩年前我曾投訴聖經不雅，現在聖經真的被youtube封殺了！果然是「凡祈求的、就得著(馬太福音7:8)」！奧姐姐今次說了兩個故事，第一個就是「祈禱的威力」。為什麼保守基督徒都是唯我獨尊，常常刪掉他們不喜歡的東西呢？原來這是源於聖經的教導！大家收看第二個故事「有佢講冇人講」便會明白！現在互聯網已經諸多制肘，但政府還要修改淫審條例加強監管，更要過濾網頁！回顧過往政府的裁決，不難找到荒謬與偏袒的例子，例如中大學生報及明報引述學生報時提及亂倫被評為不雅，而明光社及神學生文章引述同樣內容卻不用送檢。若果不想將來更多東西被封殺，請到http: //nocensorshiphk..com 參與一人一信反對吧！不滿保守基督徒干政的，可於網頁中「更多意見」一項中輸入： -強烈要求公開所有審裁員的宗教背景。 -不少非基督徒網友均表示曾申請審裁員一職，但不獲受理，故本人強烈要求公開審裁員的雇用條件。 -為免利益衝突，若果被送檢的物品與審裁員的信仰有所衝突時，應改由沒宗教信仰的審裁員去審裁。例如牽涉基督教、其他宗教或民間信仰、賭博、同性戀或任何有關性的物品的均不可由有基督教背景的審裁員處理。
2007年七一反基遊行發言人 尤拉張
http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090127-205616)
各位朋友:
兩年前我曾投訴聖經不雅，現在聖經真的被youtube封殺了！果然是「凡祈求的、就得著(馬太福音7:8)」！奧姐姐今次說了兩個故事，第一個就是「祈禱的威力」。為什麼保守基督徒都是唯我獨尊，常常刪掉他們不喜歡的東西呢？原來這是源於聖經的教導！大家收看第二個故事「有佢講冇人講」便會明白！現在互聯網已經諸多制肘，但政府還要修改淫審條例加強監管，更要過濾網頁！回顧過往政府的裁決，不難找到荒謬與偏袒的例子，例如中大學生報及明報引述學生報時提及亂倫被評為不雅，而明光社及神學生文章引述同樣內容卻不用送檢。若果不想將來更多東西被封殺，請到http: //nocensorshiphk..com 參與一人一信反對吧！不滿保守基督徒干政的，可於網頁中「更多意見」一項中輸入： -強烈要求公開所有審裁員的宗教背景。 -不少非基督徒網友均表示曾申請審裁員一職，但不獲受理，故本人強烈要求公開審裁員的雇用條件。 -為免利益衝突，若果被送檢的物品與審裁員的信仰有所衝突時，應改由沒宗教信仰的審裁員去審裁。例如牽涉基督教、其他宗教或民間信仰、賭博、同性戀或任何有關性的物品的均不可由有基督教背景的審裁員處理。
2007年七一反基遊行發言人 尤拉張
轉載:香港版網絡長城/網絡廿三條的下籤
君不須防人不肖、
眼前鬼卒皆為妖、
秦王徒把長城築、
禍去禍來因自招。
恐懼是今年的主軸,亦是專制獨裁到了未路時的感覺,它要生存就要不斷分敵我,發動不斷的政治鬥爭,到了最後全國草木皆兵,和天行者故事大綱描述中共如何滅亡相似。
長城=中共國網絡長城,香港政府+明光社想盡辦法要通過網絡廿三條,中共的銷國政策,澳門已通過的廿三條,如此的勞力將徒勞無功。上天已經向曾蔭權示警,若一意弧行,則禍去禍來因自招。
東施效顰,既指香港的經濟一向以來盲目仿效美國式的自由放任經濟,導致成東南亞貧富最不均的社會;
另一層意思指香港救市盲目仿效中共國的經濟政策,其實香港97年前是盲目仿效美國,97年後不單經濟,連政治都盲目仿效中共國,什麼網絡廿三條,香港版網絡長城何嘗不是東施效顰?有些東西學來都是弄巧反拙,網絡廿三條不提也罷!
秦王對應推背圖的「九十九年成大錯,稱王只合在秦州」,是曾蔭權為秦皇,因他是獨裁統治,不斷找籍口拖延普選,2009年年頭是經濟,年尾是沒有共識,因他背後的中共當然是世界最大的獨裁政權,理所當然抗拒民主。向中共理性要求民主普選,何異緣木求魚!
秦王徒把長城築,禍去禍來因自招:
專制政治的最大特色,是凡事怪罪於外來因素,外國干預,而不自我檢討,這是香港在走的路,否則何以有漢奸論,沙朗士東的報應論,保良局的女生事件?
眼前鬼卒皆為妖、
秦王徒把長城築、
禍去禍來因自招。
恐懼是今年的主軸,亦是專制獨裁到了未路時的感覺,它要生存就要不斷分敵我,發動不斷的政治鬥爭,到了最後全國草木皆兵,和天行者故事大綱描述中共如何滅亡相似。
長城=中共國網絡長城,香港政府+明光社想盡辦法要通過網絡廿三條,中共的銷國政策,澳門已通過的廿三條,如此的勞力將徒勞無功。上天已經向曾蔭權示警,若一意弧行,則禍去禍來因自招。
東施效顰,既指香港的經濟一向以來盲目仿效美國式的自由放任經濟,導致成東南亞貧富最不均的社會;
另一層意思指香港救市盲目仿效中共國的經濟政策,其實香港97年前是盲目仿效美國,97年後不單經濟,連政治都盲目仿效中共國,什麼網絡廿三條,香港版網絡長城何嘗不是東施效顰?有些東西學來都是弄巧反拙,網絡廿三條不提也罷!
秦王對應推背圖的「九十九年成大錯,稱王只合在秦州」,是曾蔭權為秦皇,因他是獨裁統治,不斷找籍口拖延普選,2009年年頭是經濟,年尾是沒有共識,因他背後的中共當然是世界最大的獨裁政權,理所當然抗拒民主。向中共理性要求民主普選,何異緣木求魚!
秦王徒把長城築,禍去禍來因自招:
專制政治的最大特色,是凡事怪罪於外來因素,外國干預,而不自我檢討,這是香港在走的路,否則何以有漢奸論,沙朗士東的報應論,保良局的女生事件?
2009年1月27日 星期二
Donald Tseung’s Game on ‘Reforming’ of censorship system
(From: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090127-232319)
Now I had been busy waging war against YOUTUBE’s indecent censorship of Atheist video(Bible animation), maybe it would tempt some of you to think I care only about the right and interest of atheist. Actually, how can I not aware of the pointless dispute in domestic violence ordinance waged by self-righteous Christian Right, but the acute concern is about HKSAR’s consultation paper on reforming(strengthening) censorship, or the so-called Article 23 of the Internet.It is trivial to see what Communist China’s plan in mind: First, Article 23 of the Internet; then copy the Article 23 from Macau, and lastly the Universal Suffrage completely under Communist China’s control. That is to tilt the playing field to the favor of Chinese Communist’s favor, namely DAB. This assignment either to be done by Donald Tseung, or the one replace him as the puppet head of HKSAR.
What is the game plan of Donald Tseung?
We can’t assume that HKSAR doesn’t know that such a proposal of strengthening censorship bodies would met with fierce opposition from liberals and Netizens, giving Pro-Democratic politician a handy cause to relay support after Edison Chen’s scandal.So the same storyline once again, BIG battle between Pro-Democratic and Pro-Beijing political parties; which giving another chance for the rising star of Pro-Democratic camp: League of Social Democrat to bring the battle to the footstep of conservative politician’s door literally. At the battle field of Legislative Council, what Donald Tseung is looking at the logical consequence of blood fight: All proposal to slightly change the government’s proposal are shut down by partisanship, allowing the original proposed reform of censorship passed.
Or what Donald Tseung’s strategy is making the demand of the strengthening the censorship system so high that he don’t expect that to be truly implemented. He would then pretend to give it to the demand of Pro-Democratic parties and liberal in the middle, which is what original expected, so he is playing ‘hard to get’. Since the opening demand is so high: ISP filter the content before it reach any Netizen, when yield to the middle by ‘public pressure’ already fulfill his goal(like mandate filtering software for each parent demanded from ISP), then later Communist China can work behind the door with the software manufacture by expanding the keyword list. If this play well, his rating may boost despite a crack is already placed in the liberality of HKSAR.
The last case scenario is a familiar one just like Article 23. When he start the consultation of reforming the censorship system, what he expect is a dogfight by left and right so the proposal end up rejected. Such a would further deepen the wound between left and right, but the consequence would be the trouble of predecessor and Communist China, so it is not his concern. He satisfy the demand of Communist China by left the existing censorship system that is tilted to the favor of conservative intact, he step further to remain in the status quo.
This is the troublesome reality which HK is looking at. By simple logical extrapolation, Universal Suffrage can’t wait until 2012 or 2017 if it is to be implemented by HKSAR under Communist China’s rule.
Now I had been busy waging war against YOUTUBE’s indecent censorship of Atheist video(Bible animation), maybe it would tempt some of you to think I care only about the right and interest of atheist. Actually, how can I not aware of the pointless dispute in domestic violence ordinance waged by self-righteous Christian Right, but the acute concern is about HKSAR’s consultation paper on reforming(strengthening) censorship, or the so-called Article 23 of the Internet.It is trivial to see what Communist China’s plan in mind: First, Article 23 of the Internet; then copy the Article 23 from Macau, and lastly the Universal Suffrage completely under Communist China’s control. That is to tilt the playing field to the favor of Chinese Communist’s favor, namely DAB. This assignment either to be done by Donald Tseung, or the one replace him as the puppet head of HKSAR.
What is the game plan of Donald Tseung?
We can’t assume that HKSAR doesn’t know that such a proposal of strengthening censorship bodies would met with fierce opposition from liberals and Netizens, giving Pro-Democratic politician a handy cause to relay support after Edison Chen’s scandal.So the same storyline once again, BIG battle between Pro-Democratic and Pro-Beijing political parties; which giving another chance for the rising star of Pro-Democratic camp: League of Social Democrat to bring the battle to the footstep of conservative politician’s door literally. At the battle field of Legislative Council, what Donald Tseung is looking at the logical consequence of blood fight: All proposal to slightly change the government’s proposal are shut down by partisanship, allowing the original proposed reform of censorship passed.
Or what Donald Tseung’s strategy is making the demand of the strengthening the censorship system so high that he don’t expect that to be truly implemented. He would then pretend to give it to the demand of Pro-Democratic parties and liberal in the middle, which is what original expected, so he is playing ‘hard to get’. Since the opening demand is so high: ISP filter the content before it reach any Netizen, when yield to the middle by ‘public pressure’ already fulfill his goal(like mandate filtering software for each parent demanded from ISP), then later Communist China can work behind the door with the software manufacture by expanding the keyword list. If this play well, his rating may boost despite a crack is already placed in the liberality of HKSAR.
The last case scenario is a familiar one just like Article 23. When he start the consultation of reforming the censorship system, what he expect is a dogfight by left and right so the proposal end up rejected. Such a would further deepen the wound between left and right, but the consequence would be the trouble of predecessor and Communist China, so it is not his concern. He satisfy the demand of Communist China by left the existing censorship system that is tilted to the favor of conservative intact, he step further to remain in the status quo.
This is the troublesome reality which HK is looking at. By simple logical extrapolation, Universal Suffrage can’t wait until 2012 or 2017 if it is to be implemented by HKSAR under Communist China’s rule.
2009年1月22日 星期四
轉載:青年絕不是被荼毒的一群!
(轉載自: http://www.nocensorshiphk.com, )
(如同意,請簽署以示你支持人權,民主及公義!誰說青少年不關心社會,誰說香港一定是反智?!)
請各位不要再受瞞騙! 青年不是沉默的一群，也不是被動受害的一群!
<淫褻及不雅物品管制條例>的修訂諮詢企圖掩人耳目，假借保護青年及兒童之名，限制我們享用、傳播各類資訊的權利。如果我們容許這個制度及條例存在，就等如默許剝奪青年人權的暴力。
「青年必受色情暴力資訊荼毒」? 誤導大眾才是真正的荼毒心智!
青少年被諮詢文件定為「易受外界影響的人士」，蘇局長! 請你不要再假裝在這份諮詢文件內沒有放入任何立場或假設。由封面的標題(「齊享健康資訊」)、構圖(三個年青人的相片)開始佈局，早已擺好操控青少年接受性資訊權的圈套。在我們青少年討論甚麼資訊是健康、不健康之先，諮詢文件早就聚焦於如何修補現有制度的問題上，令「成年人接收資訊方面不會受到不恰當的限制，但同時可以給予青少年適當的保護」 (見諮詢文件中文版第三十頁)。這等於是將「青少年的心智必定比成人遜色，所以要受保護，這就是青年的權利！」的迷思合理化！
青少年會犯罪，成年人也一樣會，難道可以倒過來說成年人心智一定不夠青年人成熟？假設青年人是易受荼毒的群體，簡直就是反智先驗論的鐵證。大家長主義思維可謂昭然若揭! 難道還想誤導大眾，這種以保護為名、剝奪青少年選擇權利為實的荒謬邏輯就是道德、就是真理？蘇局長你說過即使過濾軟件有問題(如將提供較整全的性資訊網站家計會等等也過濾掉)，家長仍擁有開鎖密碼， 可因時制宜。作為青少年不禁要問，我們的主動權在哪? 無論過濾機制做得否是否完善，出發點都只是建基於也「青年沒有能力及權利成為選擇資訊的主動者」。
不能容忍淫管條例的暴力—真正要受保護的，是青年作為公民的性權利
作為公民，無論是成人或青少年，根據世界性學會議的「性權宣言」(1999世界性學學會) 每個人均有權利接受各種性資訊。有關當局根本無權以「資訊荼毒青少年」為名，限制資訊的流通。是否接收是青少年本身的決定，選擇權應歸於青少年，而非淫審處。為了保障公民接收資訊的權利，我們要求政府延開有關是否將現有制度廢存的討論，而絕非將現有的惡法修修補補，企圖瞞天過海！
青少年有權享有色情和性資訊
青少年和成年人一樣有血有肉，有性也有情慾，亦有權接收相關資訊。面對現在落後而保守的性教育，我們甚至有權相信，網上世界的性資訊對青年人來說才是至為重要的性啟蒙/參考資料庫。整份諮詢文件立足於如何保護青少年免受荼毒，可笑的是，有關「不雅資訊是否會令青少年被傷害的任何量化/質化研究均隻字不提! 與此同時，文件刻意迥避各類性資訊為青少年所帶來的正面功能。只是單向地想像在各類資訊自由流通的情況下，青年人的心靈一定會被污染，不再符合社會認為青少年應該是純真和乖乖聽話的標準要求。可想而知，預設「對性資訊採開放態度就會導致道德淪喪」，只是一個恐嚇青年和家長的假象。當我們荷蘭當地推行的性教育對各類性交、性取向和性口味等等的覆蓋面可算是鉅細無遺，但墮胎及未婚懷孕率也不見得會比其他地區高。因此，請負責制定諮詢文件及推動討論的相關部門先做好持平、廣泛的資料搜集，不要急著為自己狹獈眼光而聲淚俱下地辯護，這樣做絕對無助於為社會帶來多贏局面。
最傷害青少年的是扭曲和壓抑的性
我們相信，真正幫助青少年健康成長之道，絕非把色情資訊標籤為不健康的資訊而禁止我們接收。在性壓抑嚴重的香港，真正需要的不是一個無菌空間，而是一個開放的空間讓每個人可以在安全、互相尊重的環境下探索自己的情慾。
色情資訊是否對青年人有害，討論空間之多元和複雜絕不能企圖以一刀切的法律條例解決。我們應引入多樣化的色情市場，鼓勵相互尊重及具創意的色情製作，為香港壓抑的性文化注入生機。並同步加入開明多元的性教育，讓青少年及成年人均能認識性的複雜面，選擇適合自己的模式，在互相尊重的前提下享受性趣(接受性教育是全民的權利，不單給青少年，也應該給成人)。性教育及色情資訊是不能相互取締的。性教育縱使有多開放，也是一個制度下的教育。而網上的色情資訊世界才是一個難得地讓青少年有互動、發表意見、選擇資訊的空間。我們珍視這種多向度、容許自由意志選擇的空間，因為這是現有香港教育制度所不能比擬的！特別是我們正身處一個成人可以將對青年人操控、實行家長主義式管制解釋成「保護」時不會臉紅的年代。
政府要面對諸如陳冠希事件之危機，不應靠立例限制網上資訊流通、踐踏資訊接收權來求取一勞永逸！反而要著力營造出開放、可供選擇是否接收性資訊的空間，以及一個具質素的公民社會。接收色情資訊是道德與否，牽涉到每人不同的主觀感受層面和判斷。我們反對政府以「保護心智未成熟人士」之名立法，劃一界線，將接收色情資訊權提升到公眾或法律層面以便將之規管。請別意圖將接收色情資訊的人污名化！也請收起將成人及青年人二元對立化的老把戲！青年人是否有接收性資訊權的「判辨能力」不是由政府來判辨！
「淫管條例」的存在只是為了方便政府及家長對青年的管治，將性恐懼無限放大。
條例在本質上是否定和侵犯青少年的性權:包括接觸性資訊的知情權，進行性行為的權利及被諮詢有關法例修訂的權利。冠冕堂皇的「保護青少年」口號背後，實質是一場活生生地剝奪人權的祭禮。而被犧牲的，就是青少年對性的權利和整個社會的文化智商水平。其暴力與反智的程度已足夠讓公民去思考應否將其永遠廢除！在此，我們強烈要求將侵害性權、可厭和暴力的「淫管條例」及相關制度廢除，不要為色情物品設年齡限制，讓青少年有同等的權利接收各種資訊！
讓青年擁有性權, 讓我們為自身的性及社會道德，盡公民責任!
(如同意,請簽署以示你支持人權,民主及公義!誰說青少年不關心社會,誰說香港一定是反智
(如同意,請簽署以示你支持人權,民主及公義!誰說青少年不關心社會,誰說香港一定是反智?!)
請各位不要再受瞞騙! 青年不是沉默的一群，也不是被動受害的一群!
<淫褻及不雅物品管制條例>的修訂諮詢企圖掩人耳目，假借保護青年及兒童之名，限制我們享用、傳播各類資訊的權利。如果我們容許這個制度及條例存在，就等如默許剝奪青年人權的暴力。
「青年必受色情暴力資訊荼毒」? 誤導大眾才是真正的荼毒心智!
青少年被諮詢文件定為「易受外界影響的人士」，蘇局長! 請你不要再假裝在這份諮詢文件內沒有放入任何立場或假設。由封面的標題(「齊享健康資訊」)、構圖(三個年青人的相片)開始佈局，早已擺好操控青少年接受性資訊權的圈套。在我們青少年討論甚麼資訊是健康、不健康之先，諮詢文件早就聚焦於如何修補現有制度的問題上，令「成年人接收資訊方面不會受到不恰當的限制，但同時可以給予青少年適當的保護」 (見諮詢文件中文版第三十頁)。這等於是將「青少年的心智必定比成人遜色，所以要受保護，這就是青年的權利！」的迷思合理化！
青少年會犯罪，成年人也一樣會，難道可以倒過來說成年人心智一定不夠青年人成熟？假設青年人是易受荼毒的群體，簡直就是反智先驗論的鐵證。大家長主義思維可謂昭然若揭! 難道還想誤導大眾，這種以保護為名、剝奪青少年選擇權利為實的荒謬邏輯就是道德、就是真理？蘇局長你說過即使過濾軟件有問題(如將提供較整全的性資訊網站家計會等等也過濾掉)，家長仍擁有開鎖密碼， 可因時制宜。作為青少年不禁要問，我們的主動權在哪? 無論過濾機制做得否是否完善，出發點都只是建基於也「青年沒有能力及權利成為選擇資訊的主動者」。
不能容忍淫管條例的暴力—真正要受保護的，是青年作為公民的性權利
作為公民，無論是成人或青少年，根據世界性學會議的「性權宣言」(1999世界性學學會) 每個人均有權利接受各種性資訊。有關當局根本無權以「資訊荼毒青少年」為名，限制資訊的流通。是否接收是青少年本身的決定，選擇權應歸於青少年，而非淫審處。為了保障公民接收資訊的權利，我們要求政府延開有關是否將現有制度廢存的討論，而絕非將現有的惡法修修補補，企圖瞞天過海！
青少年有權享有色情和性資訊
青少年和成年人一樣有血有肉，有性也有情慾，亦有權接收相關資訊。面對現在落後而保守的性教育，我們甚至有權相信，網上世界的性資訊對青年人來說才是至為重要的性啟蒙/參考資料庫。整份諮詢文件立足於如何保護青少年免受荼毒，可笑的是，有關「不雅資訊是否會令青少年被傷害的任何量化/質化研究均隻字不提! 與此同時，文件刻意迥避各類性資訊為青少年所帶來的正面功能。只是單向地想像在各類資訊自由流通的情況下，青年人的心靈一定會被污染，不再符合社會認為青少年應該是純真和乖乖聽話的標準要求。可想而知，預設「對性資訊採開放態度就會導致道德淪喪」，只是一個恐嚇青年和家長的假象。當我們荷蘭當地推行的性教育對各類性交、性取向和性口味等等的覆蓋面可算是鉅細無遺，但墮胎及未婚懷孕率也不見得會比其他地區高。因此，請負責制定諮詢文件及推動討論的相關部門先做好持平、廣泛的資料搜集，不要急著為自己狹獈眼光而聲淚俱下地辯護，這樣做絕對無助於為社會帶來多贏局面。
最傷害青少年的是扭曲和壓抑的性
我們相信，真正幫助青少年健康成長之道，絕非把色情資訊標籤為不健康的資訊而禁止我們接收。在性壓抑嚴重的香港，真正需要的不是一個無菌空間，而是一個開放的空間讓每個人可以在安全、互相尊重的環境下探索自己的情慾。
色情資訊是否對青年人有害，討論空間之多元和複雜絕不能企圖以一刀切的法律條例解決。我們應引入多樣化的色情市場，鼓勵相互尊重及具創意的色情製作，為香港壓抑的性文化注入生機。並同步加入開明多元的性教育，讓青少年及成年人均能認識性的複雜面，選擇適合自己的模式，在互相尊重的前提下享受性趣(接受性教育是全民的權利，不單給青少年，也應該給成人)。性教育及色情資訊是不能相互取締的。性教育縱使有多開放，也是一個制度下的教育。而網上的色情資訊世界才是一個難得地讓青少年有互動、發表意見、選擇資訊的空間。我們珍視這種多向度、容許自由意志選擇的空間，因為這是現有香港教育制度所不能比擬的！特別是我們正身處一個成人可以將對青年人操控、實行家長主義式管制解釋成「保護」時不會臉紅的年代。
政府要面對諸如陳冠希事件之危機，不應靠立例限制網上資訊流通、踐踏資訊接收權來求取一勞永逸！反而要著力營造出開放、可供選擇是否接收性資訊的空間，以及一個具質素的公民社會。接收色情資訊是道德與否，牽涉到每人不同的主觀感受層面和判斷。我們反對政府以「保護心智未成熟人士」之名立法，劃一界線，將接收色情資訊權提升到公眾或法律層面以便將之規管。請別意圖將接收色情資訊的人污名化！也請收起將成人及青年人二元對立化的老把戲！青年人是否有接收性資訊權的「判辨能力」不是由政府來判辨！
「淫管條例」的存在只是為了方便政府及家長對青年的管治，將性恐懼無限放大。
條例在本質上是否定和侵犯青少年的性權:包括接觸性資訊的知情權，進行性行為的權利及被諮詢有關法例修訂的權利。冠冕堂皇的「保護青少年」口號背後，實質是一場活生生地剝奪人權的祭禮。而被犧牲的，就是青少年對性的權利和整個社會的文化智商水平。其暴力與反智的程度已足夠讓公民去思考應否將其永遠廢除！在此，我們強烈要求將侵害性權、可厭和暴力的「淫管條例」及相關制度廢除，不要為色情物品設年齡限制，讓青少年有同等的權利接收各種資訊！
讓青年擁有性權, 讓我們為自身的性及社會道德，盡公民責任!
(如同意,請簽署以示你支持人權,民主及公義!誰說青少年不關心社會,誰說香港一定是反智
2009年1月21日 星期三
轉載:對付YOUTUBE無理刪片的幾個方向
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090121-012739)
1. 繼續以新戶口(以防戶口無故被刪)來上載被刪的短片,然後電郵給我或Ohmygod@truthbible.net,張貼在自己的網誌/網頁/網家,不過必須清楚註明原來的短片被YOUTUBE無理刪除,及原來被刪短片的URL,盡量讓任何人看到,即時可以理解發生什麼事。用YOUTUBE來上載,
一來是令它失去面子,
二來可以用證明YOUTUBE自相矛盾,自打咀巴的證據;
亦可以證明YOUTUBE是內容審查,不可以用動畫違反使用條款作籍口!
2. 打電話/寫電郵/用傳真投訴YOUTUBE香港分站,同時亦可投訴到它的母公司Google,最後留一份傳底給我或 Ohmygod@truthbible.net作證據,不過YOUTUBE未必會即時處理,可能用拖字訣,直到事件被遺忘為止。因此,可以把它的回覆貼到自己網頁/網家/網誌,令它備受公衆壓力!
3. 打電話/寫電郵/用傳真到香港各傳媒投訴YOUTUBE,最後留一份傳底給我或Ohmygod@truthbible.net作證據,如果記者/聯絡人未能即時處理,或用拖字訣,可以把它的回覆貼到自己網頁/網家/網誌,令它備受公衆壓力。此舉的目的是令YOUTUBE在香港的形象受損,同時亦可進照妖鏡,看看哪一份報紙真的是敢言,肯為公義發聲!
4. 號召全世界的無神論者,自由派,世俗主義者及支持言論自由的人仕團體,把本短片翻譯成各國語言,繼續上載到YOUTUBE,把1的效果擴張到全世界;同時,亦可以舉辦「不雅聖經短片創作比賽」,以致把Truthbible變成全球無神論的中樞/焦點,Truthbible成全球支持言論自由的象徵!
你有什麼想法?
1. 繼續以新戶口(以防戶口無故被刪)來上載被刪的短片,然後電郵給我或Ohmygod@truthbible.net,張貼在自己的網誌/網頁/網家,不過必須清楚註明原來的短片被YOUTUBE無理刪除,及原來被刪短片的URL,盡量讓任何人看到,即時可以理解發生什麼事。用YOUTUBE來上載,
一來是令它失去面子,
二來可以用證明YOUTUBE自相矛盾,自打咀巴的證據;
亦可以證明YOUTUBE是內容審查,不可以用動畫違反使用條款作籍口!
2. 打電話/寫電郵/用傳真投訴YOUTUBE香港分站,同時亦可投訴到它的母公司Google,最後留一份傳底給我或 Ohmygod@truthbible.net作證據,不過YOUTUBE未必會即時處理,可能用拖字訣,直到事件被遺忘為止。因此,可以把它的回覆貼到自己網頁/網家/網誌,令它備受公衆壓力!
3. 打電話/寫電郵/用傳真到香港各傳媒投訴YOUTUBE,最後留一份傳底給我或Ohmygod@truthbible.net作證據,如果記者/聯絡人未能即時處理,或用拖字訣,可以把它的回覆貼到自己網頁/網家/網誌,令它備受公衆壓力。此舉的目的是令YOUTUBE在香港的形象受損,同時亦可進照妖鏡,看看哪一份報紙真的是敢言,肯為公義發聲!
4. 號召全世界的無神論者,自由派,世俗主義者及支持言論自由的人仕團體,把本短片翻譯成各國語言,繼續上載到YOUTUBE,把1的效果擴張到全世界;同時,亦可以舉辦「不雅聖經短片創作比賽」,以致把Truthbible變成全球無神論的中樞/焦點,Truthbible成全球支持言論自由的象徵!
你有什麼想法?
2009年1月20日 星期二
轉載:曾蔭權在淫審制度改革的一盤棋
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090120-035016)
近來天天打YOUTUBE言論審查,可能有人會以為我才關心無神論者的議題,而不理香港社會的大事,我不是不關心「家暴條例」的鬧劇,不過我更關心 的是「網絡廿三條」的立法問題,因為依中共的盤算「網絡廿三條」之後是以澳門為例子的廿三條,一切都是為親建派度身訂做最有利的選舉環境,中共不怕為23 條再換一次特首,反正再上台的都只是它的傀儡!
到底曾蔭權想做乜?它明知類似的建議,在經歷陳冠希一役,一定會令自由派,泛民主派及一般網民很反感,於是又重現泛民主對親建制派大吵一場的戲碼,還給社民連一個爭取民心的機會,
然後會不會它搏四大皆空,即泛民主及親建制派兩派的修訂動議都被否決,原條通過?
還是它一開始開天索價,提出連它自己都感到離譜(如要求ISP預早過濾連成人都不宜的內容),然後落地還錢(如強制ISP提供內容分級),因為一開 始時訂定太離譜,所以中間才是它想要的目標;幾經泛民主派/自由派努力「爭取」,才中間着墨,如此一來,就一舉兩得,又給人從善如流的印象。
甚至像普選一樣,其實它目標就是利用左右派不和來令文件被否決,如此一來就可以保持現狀,讓基督右派繼續壟斷淫審標準,還有籍口推到社會「沒有共識」,所以一動不如一靜, 是香港人自己唔生性,唔關政府事;代價是香港社會更分化,當然這是下一任特首的事了。
如此的局勢下去,再加上經濟不景,香港尚可以等到2017嗎?
轉載:估狗(Google)不作惡事,YOUTUBE不作好事?
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090120-024517)
各位朋友,
請各位把本文轉載到各處以示對YOUTUBE刪片的不滿,行惡事者必有惡報!
首先,估狗(Google)的宗旨為不作惡事,結果它和萬惡微軟(MSN)一樣,自由、民主、法輪功從此在中共國網域消失;
YOUTUBE則不作好事,為了取悅全力支持香港特區政府以道德之名行言論審查之實的基督右派明光社,在雙普選發生前實行香港版的金盾工程(Great Firewall of China),它刪除了無神論的影片,而且想辦法毀屍滅漬!
誰更邪惡?
七一無神論者遊行發言人
Euler at euler.truthbible.net
各位朋友,
請各位把本文轉載到各處以示對YOUTUBE刪片的不滿,行惡事者必有惡報!
首先,估狗(Google)的宗旨為不作惡事,結果它和萬惡微軟(MSN)一樣,自由、民主、法輪功從此在中共國網域消失;
YOUTUBE則不作好事,為了取悅全力支持香港特區政府以道德之名行言論審查之實的基督右派明光社,在雙普選發生前實行香港版的金盾工程(Great Firewall of China),它刪除了無神論的影片,而且想辦法毀屍滅漬!
誰更邪惡?
七一無神論者遊行發言人
Euler at euler.truthbible.net
轉載: 為什麼YOUTUBE刪片關你的事?
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090120-011912)
如果你是無神論者,YOUTUBE刪片明顯是以為我們一盤散沙好欺負,(就我所知)相反就不敢GLBT的短片分毫,以為基右財雄勢大,又得到香港建制派的 撐腰,泛民主派有道德包腑,不敢亂說亂動,,更有望取悅中共,把「不穩定因素消滅在萌牙狀態」,望有一天在中共國內開設分站,如此政治正確的事,本少利 大,為何不挑最弱的欺負?明光社一衆基督右派聯同YOUTUBE已踩到我們頭上,還不爆發,更待何時?
如 果你是GLBT社團的一員,無神論者獲YOUTUBE如此厚愛,成為首個被完全消音的案侈,還不是為了表達對GLBT的人道關懷?痛心基督右派在家暴條例 的盲目不仁和偽君子?此短片除了用聖經以「子之矛攻子之盾」外,提出了聖經內有亂倫故事的事實,有什麼色情/暴力/引人犯罪的內容?如果如此的內容,純綷 因為和基督右派意見不同,就不容於全世界最自由的互聯網路空間,更何況一些被主流社會視為「更激進」的同志神學內容?或同志小說?
如果你 是基督教徒,想一想YOUTUBE刪片背後的邏緝及心態是什麼?我們只是借聖經來表達對香港時事的看法,順帶可以說是對某一派基督徒的意見,同時可以勉強 說成對聖經的一種解讀。因我們和在基督教中的當權者看法不同,就立刻遭封殺,如果他日你不同意基督教教會對時事的看法(如性工作者,性權,香港的民主發 展,教會內的貪污腐敗),你很自然會用聖經的說話來表達自己的意見,YOUTUBE可以用同樣的邏緝及心態,因你對聖經的一種解讀不同主流,所以意見自動 被消音,你想見到這樣的一天嗎?
如果你是政治上的保守派,想一想YOUTUBE刪片是促進香港社會和諧,還是為火藥味本來極重的家暴條例 爭議火上加油?現在世界經濟不景,香港特區的管治權威望每下愈況,激進左派勢力如日中天,YOUTUBE由美國自由派把持,是真正想幫香港特區忙,還是想 幫倒忙?幫手推倒香港特區的統治?
如果你是自由派,自由被攻擊,還不挺身而出?今日是無神論者,明天可以激進人仕,後天可以泛民主派,再後天連罵陳冠希都不可以?香港本來已有內容審查制度,時常鬧出「有殺錯,無放過」(如秋天的童話)的笑話,我們可以讓互聯網僅存的一點點自由被削去嗎?
如 果你是泛民主派支持者,自由是民主發展的基石,沒有表達不同意見的自由,沒有渠道讓非主流的團體發聲,民主會不會發展成「多數暴政」,甚至成為法西斯主義 的溫床呢?今次YOUTUBE統綷是因我們和主流社會對聖經的見解不同,就急於「政治正確」,把異見消滅在萌牙狀態,他日會不會以同樣手段為爭取民主普選 的網民消音,令傳媒/互聯網意見一面倒向親建制派,來保證2012的民主普選由親建制勝出?
如果你是無神論者,YOUTUBE刪片明顯是以為我們一盤散沙好欺負,(就我所知)相反就不敢GLBT的短片分毫,以為基右財雄勢大,又得到香港建制派的 撐腰,泛民主派有道德包腑,不敢亂說亂動,,更有望取悅中共,把「不穩定因素消滅在萌牙狀態」,望有一天在中共國內開設分站,如此政治正確的事,本少利 大,為何不挑最弱的欺負?明光社一衆基督右派聯同YOUTUBE已踩到我們頭上,還不爆發,更待何時?
如 果你是GLBT社團的一員,無神論者獲YOUTUBE如此厚愛,成為首個被完全消音的案侈,還不是為了表達對GLBT的人道關懷?痛心基督右派在家暴條例 的盲目不仁和偽君子?此短片除了用聖經以「子之矛攻子之盾」外,提出了聖經內有亂倫故事的事實,有什麼色情/暴力/引人犯罪的內容?如果如此的內容,純綷 因為和基督右派意見不同,就不容於全世界最自由的互聯網路空間,更何況一些被主流社會視為「更激進」的同志神學內容?或同志小說?
如果你 是基督教徒,想一想YOUTUBE刪片背後的邏緝及心態是什麼?我們只是借聖經來表達對香港時事的看法,順帶可以說是對某一派基督徒的意見,同時可以勉強 說成對聖經的一種解讀。因我們和在基督教中的當權者看法不同,就立刻遭封殺,如果他日你不同意基督教教會對時事的看法(如性工作者,性權,香港的民主發 展,教會內的貪污腐敗),你很自然會用聖經的說話來表達自己的意見,YOUTUBE可以用同樣的邏緝及心態,因你對聖經的一種解讀不同主流,所以意見自動 被消音,你想見到這樣的一天嗎?
如果你是政治上的保守派,想一想YOUTUBE刪片是促進香港社會和諧,還是為火藥味本來極重的家暴條例 爭議火上加油?現在世界經濟不景,香港特區的管治權威望每下愈況,激進左派勢力如日中天,YOUTUBE由美國自由派把持,是真正想幫香港特區忙,還是想 幫倒忙?幫手推倒香港特區的統治?
如果你是自由派,自由被攻擊,還不挺身而出?今日是無神論者,明天可以激進人仕,後天可以泛民主派,再後天連罵陳冠希都不可以?香港本來已有內容審查制度,時常鬧出「有殺錯,無放過」(如秋天的童話)的笑話,我們可以讓互聯網僅存的一點點自由被削去嗎?
如 果你是泛民主派支持者,自由是民主發展的基石,沒有表達不同意見的自由,沒有渠道讓非主流的團體發聲,民主會不會發展成「多數暴政」,甚至成為法西斯主義 的溫床呢?今次YOUTUBE統綷是因我們和主流社會對聖經的見解不同,就急於「政治正確」,把異見消滅在萌牙狀態,他日會不會以同樣手段為爭取民主普選 的網民消音,令傳媒/互聯網意見一面倒向親建制派,來保證2012的民主普選由親建制勝出?
2009年1月19日 星期一
Google: Do no evil, Youtube: DO ALL EVIL!
Hello friends,
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO CHALLENGE YOUTUBE’S CENSORSHIP!
First Google say: DO NO EVIL, then it cooperate with Communist China to filter out dissident websites;
Now amid the YOUTUBE removed an Atheist animation of Bible to appease the Christian Right(like Society of Truth and Light) in Hong Kong, who fully support the implementation of Great Firewall in Hong Kong.
Which is more evil?
Atheist Activist
Why should you concern about banned Bible animation?
Copy the following code as your email signature, or place it in your blog or website to MAKE a statement against YOUTUBE censorship.
Click here for a higher resolution：TruthBible.net
If you are atheist, clearly this is a cause for concern. YOUTUBE banned the animation because ATHEIST are a minority in the world, therefore they can do whatever they like to us. Let's demonstrate to them how 'minority' is us!
IIf you are an Atheist, clearly this is a cause for concern. YOUTUBE banned the animation because ATHEIST are a minority in the world, therefore they can do whatever they like to us. Let's demonstrate to them how POWERFUL is when we are united!
If you are part of GLBT community, you are also the minority in the majority of countries; YOUTUBE would have the same mindset toward your group. Moreover, YOUTUBE can use the excuse of contain ADULT and SEXUAL material to prohibit your from expressing yourself in video.
If you are Christian, then YOUTUBE prohibited you from expressing your opinion using Biblical passage, and they can proceed to use excuse of violent and adult content to prohibit ANY PART OF BIBLE appear in YOUTUBE;
If you are non-Christian but a religious person; surely they can find some part of your 'Holy Book' inappropriate to some groups of people in the world. If YOUTUBE doesn't like your religion, that is the precedent they follow;
If you are liberal, it is clear that our society can't survive without adequately informed citizen. By banning this animation, YOUTUBE demonstrates that it has the means to make anyone submit to its opinion, and this time the opinion of YOUTUBE is 'Bible is moral'.
If you are conservative, don't you think that one day the tide may turn against you. And when your OPINION is unpopular(like Pro-Gun and Pro-Death penalty), you opinion would disappear from YOUTUBE just like ours?
Donald Tseung want HK to develop Computer Animation industry,
(From: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090119-032831)
And YOUTUBE's response to Hong Kong is CLEAR and LOUD.
The action speak louder than its word/principle, if it has any principle at ALL!
Hong Kong citizen should refrain from use animation in any inappropriate, sensitive, controversial, unpopular and indecent material; WHATEVER THESE TERMS DEFINE BY THE HKSAR'S political or religion authority like Society of Truth and Light.
Hong Kong citizen can only 'DO WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT APPROVE US FOR DOING, SEE ONLY WHAT THEY WANT USE TO SEE, HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR' Don't be too creative, and NEVER question the status quo, NEVER doubt any word from political or religion authority like those from Christian Right.
Is that the way to develop Hong Kong's animation industry? How can Hong Kong prospers without guarantee of speech freedom? By making official animations approved by Chinese Communist Party?
Economic development of severely constrained by lack of political development since 1997, for both Hong Kong and China. Blindly focus on the former with no regard to lack is a recipe for disaster. That is common sense.
And YOUTUBE's response to Hong Kong is CLEAR and LOUD.
The action speak louder than its word/principle, if it has any principle at ALL!
Hong Kong citizen should refrain from use animation in any inappropriate, sensitive, controversial, unpopular and indecent material; WHATEVER THESE TERMS DEFINE BY THE HKSAR'S political or religion authority like Society of Truth and Light.
Hong Kong citizen can only 'DO WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT APPROVE US FOR DOING, SEE ONLY WHAT THEY WANT USE TO SEE, HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR' Don't be too creative, and NEVER question the status quo, NEVER doubt any word from political or religion authority like those from Christian Right.
Is that the way to develop Hong Kong's animation industry? How can Hong Kong prospers without guarantee of speech freedom? By making official animations approved by Chinese Communist Party?
Economic development of severely constrained by lack of political development since 1997, for both Hong Kong and China. Blindly focus on the former with no regard to lack is a recipe for disaster. That is common sense.
Last year is started by Edison Chen's scandal, this year is about BOYCOTT YOUTUBE!
(From: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090119-030758)
YOUTUBE is certainly a BULL govern only by impressiveness and emotion.
If you think Edison Chen's scandal is about invading privacy of celebrity as an implicit attempt to get back at the 'entertainment-political-commercial' monopolization of Hong Kong, then this is a more worthy cause of concern for all of us. Why?
Since YOUTUBE has NEVER done this to anyone before(that I known of). The deleted Bible animation is NOT pornography, contain no violence or vulgar language, it is essentially a graphical presentation of the literal Bible story(to express the opinion of an Atheist on current affair).
So this is PURELY ABOUT YOUTUBE to eliminate unpopular opinion(of Atheist). YOUTUBE deleted the video to pretend it NEVER exist in the first place, akin to how MSN search engine strive to eliminate all 'unapproved keyword' in China domain, and all indecent content in Hong Kong domain.
This is about YOUTUBE ATTACKING SPEECH FREEDOM, SUPPRESSING UNPOPULAR OPINION.
BOYCOTT YOUTUBE now!
YOUTUBE is certainly a BULL govern only by impressiveness and emotion.
If you think Edison Chen's scandal is about invading privacy of celebrity as an implicit attempt to get back at the 'entertainment-political-commercial' monopolization of Hong Kong, then this is a more worthy cause of concern for all of us. Why?
Since YOUTUBE has NEVER done this to anyone before(that I known of). The deleted Bible animation is NOT pornography, contain no violence or vulgar language, it is essentially a graphical presentation of the literal Bible story(to express the opinion of an Atheist on current affair).
So this is PURELY ABOUT YOUTUBE to eliminate unpopular opinion(of Atheist). YOUTUBE deleted the video to pretend it NEVER exist in the first place, akin to how MSN search engine strive to eliminate all 'unapproved keyword' in China domain, and all indecent content in Hong Kong domain.
This is about YOUTUBE ATTACKING SPEECH FREEDOM, SUPPRESSING UNPOPULAR OPINION.
BOYCOTT YOUTUBE now!
2009年1月18日 星期日
轉載:上年由陳冠希事件開始,今年由杯葛YOUTUBE
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090118-075353)
YOUTUBE是蠻牛一隻,不懂理性,濫用權力!
請各無神論/自由派/GLBT/關注香港人權及自由者努力,
把YOUTUBE無故刪除Ohmygod的聖經製做為牛年的首項社會議題,如果你以為陳冠希一事只是無無聊聊的揭人陰私,香港警方處理不慎,才露出了它為富商/巨匱/特首選委作倀的醜陋;
是次事件,就真真正正是值得關心的議題,因為聖經短片雖然有如CUSP提及亂倫兩字,但和天天在網上發佈的成人及色情內容,簡直是蚊比與牛比,且況就算是色情片,YOUTUBE亦未曾試過半天之內刪片及移除戶口,目的就是要網民以為什麼都沒有發生過,一如用MSN是找不到任何香港網域之成人內容!
我以為今次純綷是因為涉及無神論者以動畫方式表達對聖經的不滿,純綷是因為動畫的內容而被刪除,YOUTUBE明明就是向言論自由宣戰,測試香港人可以容忍的底線,以為無神論勢孤力弱好欺負!
YOUTUBE是蠻牛一隻,不懂理性,濫用權力!
請各無神論/自由派/GLBT/關注香港人權及自由者努力,
把YOUTUBE無故刪除Ohmygod的聖經製做為牛年的首項社會議題,如果你以為陳冠希一事只是無無聊聊的揭人陰私,香港警方處理不慎,才露出了它為富商/巨匱/特首選委作倀的醜陋;
是次事件,就真真正正是值得關心的議題,因為聖經短片雖然有如CUSP提及亂倫兩字,但和天天在網上發佈的成人及色情內容,簡直是蚊比與牛比,且況就算是色情片,YOUTUBE亦未曾試過半天之內刪片及移除戶口,目的就是要網民以為什麼都沒有發生過,一如用MSN是找不到任何香港網域之成人內容!
我以為今次純綷是因為涉及無神論者以動畫方式表達對聖經的不滿,純綷是因為動畫的內容而被刪除,YOUTUBE明明就是向言論自由宣戰,測試香港人可以容忍的底線,以為無神論勢孤力弱好欺負!
轉載:YOUTUBE支持香港發展電腦動畫,振興經濟,只是不容不雅漫畫
(轉載自: http://euler.truthbible.net/index.php?entry=entry090118-072205)
曾蔭權不是要香港大力發展電腦動畫工業的嗎?
YOUTUBE大力支持香港發展電腦動畫,振興經濟,成國際電腦動畫之都;
所以第一個把分站設在香港,展望中共國,
只是YOUTUBE剛剛來到香港,立刻入境問禁,
故此不雅/色情/暴力及任何具爭議性的問題,都要避開;
在商言商,何需考慮不值一文的人權/自由/社會責任?
以彼之道,還彼之身!
祝YOUTUBE前程似已消失的亂倫聖經動畫一樣!
因此,請各位重視言論自由為香港核心價值的香港網民,
行使我們的選擇自由,罷用Youtube,可以改用
yahoo video/Google video等,
不過千萬不要用網名最後2字為hk或CN的!
如果繼續用YOUTUBE,則不要忘記同時放在yahoo video/Google video,
因為今日家暴條例受爭議,難保他日貓/狗/陳X冠又受爭議,
於是閣下的影片又會無端端消失!
曾蔭權不是要香港大力發展電腦動畫工業的嗎?
YOUTUBE大力支持香港發展電腦動畫,振興經濟,成國際電腦動畫之都;
所以第一個把分站設在香港,展望中共國,
只是YOUTUBE剛剛來到香港,立刻入境問禁,
故此不雅/色情/暴力及任何具爭議性的問題,都要避開;
在商言商,何需考慮不值一文的人權/自由/社會責任?
以彼之道,還彼之身!
祝YOUTUBE前程似已消失的亂倫聖經動畫一樣!
因此,請各位重視言論自由為香港核心價值的香港網民,
行使我們的選擇自由,罷用Youtube,可以改用
yahoo video/Google video等,
不過千萬不要用網名最後2字為hk或CN的!
如果繼續用YOUTUBE,則不要忘記同時放在yahoo video/Google video,
因為今日家暴條例受爭議,難保他日貓/狗/陳X冠又受爭議,
於是閣下的影片又會無端端消失!
2009年1月17日 星期六
Press Release: 'Indecent' Bible Animation from Atheist disappear from YOUTUBE without a trace
Press Release
Original: 2009/1/16
Translated 1/18
'Indecent' Bible Animation from Atheist disappear without a trace
A pastor has made slanderous and defaming comment about GLBT in the discussion of Domestic Violence Ordinance，so the original initiator of Bible complain OhmyGod make an animation of "Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" to demonstrate the quoted passage from the Bible is actually a story promoting incest. However, this popular Bible animation doesn't stay in YOUTUBE more than half a day, it is removed and his account is immediately banned WITHOUT ANY REASONS GIVEN WHATSOEVER.
Since the last Bible complain incident, TELA of Hong Kong already classified Bible as Category I which is suitable for all ages，to protest the act of censorship against 'material deem disrupting the social harmony' by YOUTUBE, we started this 'Flood the Youtube with Indecent Biblical Animation campaign'; Does the behavior of YOUTUBE exemplify what will happen after the renew of "Obscene and indecent article ordinance" (censorship system in Hong Kong) ?
Biblical condone Incest in its passage?
For what Christian see as a story to demonstrate the fall of Sodomites due to presence of Gay and Lesbian, what we actually see in the story is much more than that. The so-called good guy Lot in the story, suggests that the mob may rape their virgin daughters in order to preserve the angels' safety. Moreover, he later impregnates his two daughters, allegedly to preserve the seeds of his bloodline. Within 3 days, truthbible website has receive more than 10k hits for this Bible animation.
Netizen demands the rationale behind the removal of Bible animation by YOUTUBE
What YOUTUBE did was removing the Bible animation，along with any trace of its existence, including banning Ohmygod's YOUTUBE account within half day. The rude behavior of YOUTUBE caused much furor among Hong Kong Netizens. It is a big cause for concern since TELA has already classified Christian Bible as category I -- suitable for all ages, why YOUTUBE abuse its authority to remove any material that may deem offensive to Society of Truth and Light -- a Christian Right organization in Hong Kong? Since the inception of this campaign, many Netizens opened new accounts just for the sake of uploading this Bible animation. It has been uploaded more than 30 times.
The censorship system has a record of biased against minority and unpopular voice，would such incident of self-censorship become commonplace in future?
Now in the Review of the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance, HKSAR suggests to mandate all ISP to provide filtering system to users, many akin that to be a Hong Kong style Great Firewall. If we review the judgment made by censorship bodies of HKSAR，we can find evidences violating common sense and logic, while in favor of established religions. For instance, the world famous CUSP questionnaire is classified as Indecent by the mere question over incest fantasy，while the reproduction of the same content in the website owned by Christian Right flagship Society of Truth and Light, TELA refused classification. In another case, Broadcasting authority STRONGLY URGE 'Gay Lover' in its alleged biased toward gay marriage; however, it refuse to process complains against TV program promoting Christian Right's 'Family Value' and Creationism. The judgments in both cases are later overthrow in expansive Highest Court that few can afford. Now, when Internet filtering is implemented, what could webmasters do to protest when their website is blocked? How could Netizens know what information are they deprived from? As 'indecent' content disappear before anyone know it!
The banned animationn:"Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" http://truthbible.net/bloodybible/bible ... ble1.shtml
Contact：ohmygod@truthbible.net
Click here for this in pdf format
[1] Unfairly complain processed by censorship bodies：
2006 Netizen complained about 星火飛騰 promoting superstition but the case is dropped from investigation.
2007 Netizen complained《Hour Of Power (ENG/CANT)》making miracle claims without scientific investigation and seeking professional explanation from Psychiatrist. Some consider it being unfair since it lack naturalistic interpretation. The case is dragging on until now.
[2] The status of the Bible animation uploaded to YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFCsWxsWEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A6XZDeZtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1ZnyfsRjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-mNSlX_74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhBqRccT7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8K2KLT20Ic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WMtWgHDLY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWjhxqHuAI Require Age verification
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9pa17UOpI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLhBRClsNU Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkBrHJcUcQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9010612123856534131
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-cydeuVso Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWgFkjcpXvo Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgr-0zMRB8U Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvWTV0uGSQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5e38QzqhwY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRq7sS9zwo4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DpGhKKqGPs Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE-t9oUf_4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-UhIGQlb0 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo8z61R-E4
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=83MLMaIlAI0
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MjMNlBUyI
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpD2raznCI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYC_biuqkM Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhx_m-UpjcRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnMYIQxf6QRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPOh0LntdERemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQDLyEdDgQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyplVOZOaaA Removed by YOUTUBE
[3]Quotes from Netizens：
mm104337 (youtube)
Does that mean conservative Christian prefer Incest over 'Go Gay'？
mcdon1978 (youtube)
Protest self-censorship by YOUTUBE, return my freedom of information!
When the censorship system is place, what can we see in the Internet :'(
Speech freedom and NO CENSORSHIP！！
hac129 (youtube)
Against fundamentalist! Against censorship! We love justice!
ballballpen89 (youtube)
It is not a joke. If one day this preemptive mechanism is applied, will any of us able to see this comment?
Fai (Golden)
If Christian think Indecent Bible is an outdated concept, so why not Gay blasting in according to the outdated Bible?
Should we maintain the concept that Bible is always right?(since Bible is God's word!)
Troublesome(Golden)
This story is about the good guy in the Lord's eye, which he send angels to save him from the falling city, which become the ancestor for the whole Shiite race. From what I see, it is a good ending for this 'good' guy(who committed incest.)
Now when we read rape cases in newspaper, however sensational is the story; it always end up the suspect is being arrested or prosecuted. In the worst case s, the case is being investigate by the police. Comparing them two, how can we avoid making the conclusion that the Bible is 'encouraging' incest in the layman's eye? How would you define 'encouraging' otherwise?
Original: 2009/1/16
Translated 1/18
'Indecent' Bible Animation from Atheist disappear without a trace
A pastor has made slanderous and defaming comment about GLBT in the discussion of Domestic Violence Ordinance，so the original initiator of Bible complain OhmyGod make an animation of "Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" to demonstrate the quoted passage from the Bible is actually a story promoting incest. However, this popular Bible animation doesn't stay in YOUTUBE more than half a day, it is removed and his account is immediately banned WITHOUT ANY REASONS GIVEN WHATSOEVER.
Since the last Bible complain incident, TELA of Hong Kong already classified Bible as Category I which is suitable for all ages，to protest the act of censorship against 'material deem disrupting the social harmony' by YOUTUBE, we started this 'Flood the Youtube with Indecent Biblical Animation campaign'; Does the behavior of YOUTUBE exemplify what will happen after the renew of "Obscene and indecent article ordinance" (censorship system in Hong Kong) ?
Biblical condone Incest in its passage?
For what Christian see as a story to demonstrate the fall of Sodomites due to presence of Gay and Lesbian, what we actually see in the story is much more than that. The so-called good guy Lot in the story, suggests that the mob may rape their virgin daughters in order to preserve the angels' safety. Moreover, he later impregnates his two daughters, allegedly to preserve the seeds of his bloodline. Within 3 days, truthbible website has receive more than 10k hits for this Bible animation.
Netizen demands the rationale behind the removal of Bible animation by YOUTUBE
What YOUTUBE did was removing the Bible animation，along with any trace of its existence, including banning Ohmygod's YOUTUBE account within half day. The rude behavior of YOUTUBE caused much furor among Hong Kong Netizens. It is a big cause for concern since TELA has already classified Christian Bible as category I -- suitable for all ages, why YOUTUBE abuse its authority to remove any material that may deem offensive to Society of Truth and Light -- a Christian Right organization in Hong Kong? Since the inception of this campaign, many Netizens opened new accounts just for the sake of uploading this Bible animation. It has been uploaded more than 30 times.
The censorship system has a record of biased against minority and unpopular voice，would such incident of self-censorship become commonplace in future?
Now in the Review of the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance, HKSAR suggests to mandate all ISP to provide filtering system to users, many akin that to be a Hong Kong style Great Firewall. If we review the judgment made by censorship bodies of HKSAR，we can find evidences violating common sense and logic, while in favor of established religions. For instance, the world famous CUSP questionnaire is classified as Indecent by the mere question over incest fantasy，while the reproduction of the same content in the website owned by Christian Right flagship Society of Truth and Light, TELA refused classification. In another case, Broadcasting authority STRONGLY URGE 'Gay Lover' in its alleged biased toward gay marriage; however, it refuse to process complains against TV program promoting Christian Right's 'Family Value' and Creationism. The judgments in both cases are later overthrow in expansive Highest Court that few can afford. Now, when Internet filtering is implemented, what could webmasters do to protest when their website is blocked? How could Netizens know what information are they deprived from? As 'indecent' content disappear before anyone know it!
The banned animationn:"Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" http://truthbible.net/bloodybible/bible ... ble1.shtml
Contact：ohmygod@truthbible.net
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[1] Unfairly complain processed by censorship bodies：
2006 Netizen complained about 星火飛騰 promoting superstition but the case is dropped from investigation.
2007 Netizen complained《Hour Of Power (ENG/CANT)》making miracle claims without scientific investigation and seeking professional explanation from Psychiatrist. Some consider it being unfair since it lack naturalistic interpretation. The case is dragging on until now.
[2] The status of the Bible animation uploaded to YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFCsWxsWEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A6XZDeZtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1ZnyfsRjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-mNSlX_74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhBqRccT7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8K2KLT20Ic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WMtWgHDLY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWjhxqHuAI Require Age verification
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9pa17UOpI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLhBRClsNU Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkBrHJcUcQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9010612123856534131
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-cydeuVso Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWgFkjcpXvo Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgr-0zMRB8U Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvWTV0uGSQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5e38QzqhwY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRq7sS9zwo4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DpGhKKqGPs Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE-t9oUf_4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-UhIGQlb0 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo8z61R-E4
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=83MLMaIlAI0
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MjMNlBUyI
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpD2raznCI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYC_biuqkM Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhx_m-UpjcRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnMYIQxf6QRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPOh0LntdERemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQDLyEdDgQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyplVOZOaaA Removed by YOUTUBE
[3]Quotes from Netizens：
mm104337 (youtube)
Does that mean conservative Christian prefer Incest over 'Go Gay'？
mcdon1978 (youtube)
Protest self-censorship by YOUTUBE, return my freedom of information!
When the censorship system is place, what can we see in the Internet :'(
Speech freedom and NO CENSORSHIP！！
hac129 (youtube)
Against fundamentalist! Against censorship! We love justice!
ballballpen89 (youtube)
It is not a joke. If one day this preemptive mechanism is applied, will any of us able to see this comment?
Fai (Golden)
If Christian think Indecent Bible is an outdated concept, so why not Gay blasting in according to the outdated Bible?
Should we maintain the concept that Bible is always right?(since Bible is God's word!)
Troublesome(Golden)
This story is about the good guy in the Lord's eye, which he send angels to save him from the falling city, which become the ancestor for the whole Shiite race. From what I see, it is a good ending for this 'good' guy(who committed incest.)
Now when we read rape cases in newspaper, however sensational is the story; it always end up the suspect is being arrested or prosecuted. In the worst case s, the case is being investigate by the police. Comparing them two, how can we avoid making the conclusion that the Bible is 'encouraging' incest in the layman's eye? How would you define 'encouraging' otherwise?
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